Thirty two THOUSAND dead in Gaza and countless civilians on the brink of starvation, but the US is continuing to provide the bottomless supply of antipersonnel munitions.
If that mother in Michigan can be convicted for supplying her kid with a gun that she should have known might be used to murder his classmates, where does that leave Biden, a man who regularly delivers weapons and munitions knowing that they will be used to carry out war crimes?
With regards to the killing of the seven food aid workers in Gaza, I would like to know the following:
1) Where was the weapon manufactured?
2) Who paid for the weapon?
3) If the weapon was manufactured by the US or one of its allies, why was it provided to a rogue nation that routinely violates international laws and norms?
Some Americans are visibly more upset about the Palestinians plight than their brothers in arms.
Israel has three of the largest weapons manufacturers in the world. They don’t need our bombs. They don’t need our bullets or missiles. This continuous shaming of Americans for the predicament the Palestinians find themselves in, is getting tiresome. Really. If you’re only following the news from the Middle East when Israel kills a Palestinian you’re sorely misinformed and just plain biased. This problem has been going on since before we were born, and it ain’t going to stop anytime soon. When you have the cradle of the three most powerful religions in one little strip of land, the devil takes hold. Prophecy must be fulfilled….
Really. If you’re only following the news from the Middle East when Israel kills a Palestinian you’re sorely misinformed and just plain biased.
You seem to be able to casually shrug off the murder of tens of thousands of civilians. I'm not sure how your soul became so curdled but I pity you.
That said, the seven individuals killed this attack were not Palestinians.
Instead, they included an American and six Europeans. I know that, using your calculus, the death of one Israeli civilian is worth the deaths of at least 30 Palestinian civilians. Surely American lives count for just as much as an Israeli in your books? Thus, using that perverted calculus, we are talking about the killing of the equivalent of 210 Palestinians (7 foreign aid workers in total).
You seem to be able to casually shrug off the murder of tens of thousands of civilians. I'm not sure how your soul became so curdled but I pity you.
That said, the seven individuals killed this attack were not Palestinians.
Instead, they included an American and six Europeans. I know that, using your calculus, the death of one Israeli civilian is worth the deaths of at least 30 Palestinian civilians. Surely American lives count for just as much as an Israeli in your books? Thus, using that perverted calculus, we are talking about the killing of the equivalent of 210 Palestinians (7 foreign aid workers in total).
you want me to join you in your uncontrollable emotional state for the sole purpose of showing you I care about Palestinians being killed? At any given time people are being killed around the globe, you can pick your excitement level. I’m old enough to know there’s no need for me personally to get my hysteria up too much because it’s non productive to me. The Palestinians are probably regretting their decision to put Hamas in charge of their future. The Jordanians are celebrating the end of Ramadan with feasts of cows carcasses, and fully digesting it with no preoccupation for their brothers a few miles away… I get indigestion from watching what’s going on in Haiti…
At any given time people are being killed around the globe, you can pick your excitement level. I’m old enough to know there’s no need for me personally to get my hysteria up too much because it’s non productive to me.
Funny, you seemed pretty hysterical a few months ago when we were talking about 1,500 dead Israelis. You were practically frothing at the mouth. I think "unhinged" was the word most people were using to describe your posts.
You seem to be able to casually shrug off the murder of tens of thousands of civilians. I'm not sure how your soul became so curdled but I pity you.
That said, the seven individuals killed this attack were not Palestinians.
Instead, they included an American and six Europeans. I know that, using your calculus, the death of one Israeli civilian is worth the deaths of at least 30 Palestinian civilians. Surely American lives count for just as much as an Israeli in your books? Thus, using that perverted calculus, we are talking about the killing of the equivalent of 210 Palestinians (7 foreign aid workers in total).
A young Aussie woman, Zomi, volunteering with the aid group was also killed. She is officially included as an Australian.
You have to ask yourself, "Is Israel pursuing the best course of action at this point?"
I believe the answer is no and while I also realize that Israel is in a difficult position, I think that inflicting further suffering on Palestinians is not going to result in a safer world for Israelis. After a century of extreme violence, I think it safe to say that efforts to terrorize entire populations generally don't work out very well.
You have to ask yourself, "Is Israel pursuing the best course of action at this point?"
I believe the answer is no and while I also realize that Israel is in a difficult position, I think that inflicting further suffering on Palestinians is not going to result in a safer world for Israelis. After a century of extreme violence, I think it safe to say that efforts to terrorize entire populations generally don't work out very well.
So, that leaves the ceasefire option.
Would the ceasefire have to be conditional? A set period for serious negotiations to release the hostages with the threat of a return to aggression if a deal was not reached? I'm trying to understand how Israel would get back the hostages without some leverage. I realize this has been tried before so it is hard to imagine it working but.....
We all speak of Hamas as a separate entity, as if they are unrelated to the Palestinians, but is it naive to think that some of them have family who are suffering? I'm trying to imagine some weak links among those terrorists or at least imagine some angry, courageous Gazans who are willing to turn on Hamas.
If some Israelis are protesting their government, is it crazy to think some Gazans can also stand up to Hamas just to end the war?
Over 300 missiles, drones and assorted explosive devices launched by Iranian military towards Israel in one day, and 99% are destroyed before they do any damage. I think that’s success ain’t it? Let’s see what Israel does in retaliation, I’m betting whatever they do will cause mass hysteria among the people who would love to see Israel defeated and wiped off the face of the earth. As for the hostages, they were dead long ago, the ones returned to Israel were lucky. There’s nothing left to barter with Hamas. It’s full scale war onwards, and I’m afraid that includes Iran. Prophecy must be fulfilled….
Over 300 missiles, drones and assorted explosive devices launched by Iranian military towards Israel in one day, and 99% are destroyed before they do any damage. I think that’s success ain’t it? Let’s see what Israel does in retaliation, I’m betting whatever they do will cause mass hysteria among the people who would love to see Israel defeated and wiped off the face of the earth. As for the hostages, they were dead long ago, the ones returned to Israel were lucky. There’s nothing left to barter with Hamas. It’s full scale war onwards, and I’m afraid that includes Iran. Prophecy must be fulfilled….
You don't think Iran didn't know exactly how unsuccessful this attack would be? This was clearly just a save face response from Iran, and Israel, or Bibi, would be foolish to respond in a big way.
You don't think Iran didn't know exactly how unsuccessful this attack would be? This was clearly just a save face response from Iran, and Israel, or Bibi, would be foolish to respond in a big way.
why? Israel has more firepower than Iran. Bibi is not about resolving anything peacefully with Hamas, hezbollah or Iran. I think he will respond. It’s just a matter of time.
Any Israeli response now, to Iran’s retaliatory attack (“99% are destroyed before they do any damage. I think that’s success ain’t it?”) would have *zero* strategic or defensive value.
You don't think Iran didn't know exactly how unsuccessful this attack would be? This was clearly just a save face response from Iran, and Israel, or Bibi, would be foolish to respond in a big way.
why? Israel has more firepower than Iran. Bibi is not about resolving anything peacefully with Hamas, hezbollah or Iran. I think he will respond. It’s just a matter of time.
Foolish is what Iran did. Now Bibi has the sympathy and support of the western allies who were trying to rein him in just a few days ago. Iran has always said it wants to erase Israel off the map. Israel knows more about her enemies than we do. Right now they’re at war, and war is ugly.
The reported explosion in Iran yesterday doesn't appear to be a serious retaliatory attack by Israel. Assuming that's the case, Israel's failure to retaliate in serious fashion thus far, suggests that the extraordinary claims in this interview by Scott Ritter -- that Iran's attack on Israel was a "game-changer" that ended Israel's "deterrence supremacy" -- are credible. Regardless of your opinion of Ritter, I think you'll find this highly informative.
The reported explosion in Iran yesterday doesn't appear to be a serious retaliatory attack by Israel. Assuming that's the case, Israel's failure to retaliate in serious fashion thus far, suggests that the extraordinary claims in this interview by Scott Ritter -- that Iran's attack on Israel was a "game-changer" that ended Israel's "deterrence supremacy" -- are credible. Regardless of your opinion of Ritter, I think you'll find this highly informative.
"William Burns, Director of the CIA, gave Iran the green light to attack Israel"
Sorry, I don't buy that.
Listening to 5 minutes of this reminded me of why I don't listen to podcasts. Fluff and innuendo and unproven allegations.
I think real analysts can see that Israel's deterrence supremacy has been on the decline for quite some time. One article I read said that the Hamas attacks have left Israelis feeling pretty exposed with well-armed enemies all around. The deployment of rockets and missiles is a real headache for all militaries.
I can think of other reasons why Israel exercised a degree of restraint with U.S. pressure being the foremost.
I can think of other reasons why Israel exercised a degree of restraint with U.S. pressure being the foremost.
Exactly. There are reports that the Israeli response was meant as a demonstration, of response capability in the event Iran were to continue its direct attacks.
Iran is no different from any other country in the sense that there are some who counsel restraint, and others who want to promote further attacks. A limited Israeli response (promoted by those who counsel restraint) would give the advantage to those in Iran who similarly counsel restraint. At least, that's one way to look at it.
Ritter's way of looking at it just promotes more war.
Iran got hit with a half ton Rampage missile. That’s not a toy as the Iranian government is trying to portray it. And for those of you preoccupied with American made bombs falling on Iran, it’s not American made.
Every Gazan baby Israel kills generates a pool of Palestinians who would give their lives to exact revenge. In ten years, the military cost of this genocidal campaign will have far eclipsed any benefit to Israel.
ok, how many decades do you want to go back to find ultimate causes?
I ask again:
do you really think all of those civilian casualties are "human shields"?
I mean, you really don't think Israel's response is kind of over the top and irresponsible?