RFK Jr. For President?

nohero said:

paulsurovell said:

https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1680227322509635595?s=20

The @nypost story is mistaken. I have never, ever suggested that the COVID-19 virus was targeted to spare Jews. I accurately pointed out — during an off-the-record conversation — that the U.S. and other governments are developing ethnically targeted bioweapons and that a 2021 study of the COVID-19 virus shows that COVID-19 appears to disproportionately affect certain races since the furin cleave docking site is most compatible with Blacks and Caucasians and least compatible with ethnic Chinese, Finns, and Ashkenazi Jews. In that sense, it serves as a kind of proof of concept for ethnically targeted bioweapons. I do not believe and never implied that the ethnic effect was deliberately engineered. That study is here: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32664879/10:46 AM · Jul 15, 2023·2.2M Views

What a load of sh*t. You can listen to him, or pay attention to the reality that neither Jewish nor Chinese people were any "safer" than anyone else. And his mealy-mouthed "what I really said" doesn't match what he really said. 

RFK Jr. is the Alex Jones of Tulsi Gabbards.

You havent read carefully what RFK Jr tweeted, which is consistent with what he said.

-- US and other governments are developing ethnically-targeted bioweapons

-- The Covid study showed differences in effects on different ethnic groups.

-- Thus Covid is a "kind of proof of concept" for the goal of ethnically-targeted bioweapons.

-- But he does not believe that Covid was "deliberately engineered" to have that ethnic effect.

What he needs to document is his allegation that "the U.S. and other governments are developing ethnically targeted bioweapons".

What is known is that the US (and likely other governments) is developing "defenses" against bioweapons, but the question is at what point "defense" crosses the line into "offense".


paulsurovell said:

I think RFK Jr is wrong to allege "fear-mongering" over climate change. But he's right when he says that climate change will be overcome market forces -- clean energy is cheaper than fossil fuels, especially when the real costs of fossil fuel combustion, like the destruction of the environment, are included.


That's kind of the whole deal with market forces -- you profit precisely by making sure the real costs are born elsewhere. Clean energy, especially if it is profitable, has plenty of "externalized" costs as well -- what happens to the environment and the people at the sites where lithium for batteries is mined, for example?

I point this out not to argue against electric vehicles or other technology, but to point out that there are always trade offs involved, that the costs are always real, and we should be honest about what those costs are and who is paying them.

Are the trade-offs being made to decarbonize better than the status quo? Yes, I believe so. Is that the same thing as saying there are no trade offs, no injustice, and no harm done? No, not at all.


nohero said:

paulsurovell said:

He's on record opposing fracking and oil and gas pipelines, so he's a lot further on toward government intervention and the Green New Deal than most Democrats who purport to be concerned about climate change.

The "evidence" you cite does not support the statement "he's a lot further on toward government intervention and the Green New Deal than most Democrats", especially in light of the tweet that you chose to post.

Show me a list of Democrats who are opposed to fracking, new oil and gas leases and pipelines.

Show me a replacement for fossil fuel combustion that wasn't made by a profit-making business.

https://www.yahoo.com/video/robert-kennedy-jr-on-climate-change-140205979.html

“I think the Green New Deal — and all that stuff — is important,”
Kennedy Jr. says. “We ought to be pursuing it. My approach is more
market-based than kind of top down dictates. You know, I believe that we
should use market mechanisms like carbon taxes and the elimination of
subsidies.”


paulsurovell said:

You havent read carefully what RFK Jr tweeted, which is consistent with what he said.

-- US and other governments are developing ethnically-targeted bioweapons

-- The Covid study showed differences in effects on different ethnic groups.

-- Thus Covid is a "kind of proof of concept" for the goal of ethnically-targeted bioweapons.

-- But he does not believe that Covid was "deliberately engineered" to have that ethnic effect.

What he needs to document is his allegation that "the U.S. and other governments are developing ethnically targeted bioweapons".

What is known is that the US (and likely other governments) is developing "defenses" against bioweapons, but the question is at what point "defense" crosses the line into "offense".

I give more weight to what he actually said than to his after-the-fact "what I really meant".


nohero said:

paulsurovell said:

You havent read carefully what RFK Jr tweeted, which is consistent with what he said.

-- US and other governments are developing ethnically-targeted bioweapons

-- The Covid study showed differences in effects on different ethnic groups.

-- Thus Covid is a "kind of proof of concept" for the goal of ethnically-targeted bioweapons.

-- But he does not believe that Covid was "deliberately engineered" to have that ethnic effect.

What he needs to document is his allegation that "the U.S. and other governments are developing ethnically targeted bioweapons".

What is known is that the US (and likely other governments) is developing "defenses" against bioweapons, but the question is at what point "defense" crosses the line into "offense".

I give more weight to what he actually said than to his after-the-fact "what I really meant".

Point out the differences.


paulsurovell said:

nohero said:

The "evidence" you cite does not support the statement "he's a lot further on toward government intervention and the Green New Deal than most Democrats", especially in light of the tweet that you chose to post.

Show me a list of Democrats who are opposed to fracking, new oil and gas leases and pipelines.

Show me a replacement for fossil fuel combustion that wasn't made by a profit-making business.

https://www.yahoo.com/video/robert-kennedy-jr-on-climate-change-140205979.html

“I think the Green New Deal — and all that stuff — is important,”
Kennedy Jr. says. “We ought to be pursuing it. My approach is more
market-based than kind of top down dictates. You know, I believe that we
should use market mechanisms like carbon taxes and the elimination of
subsidies.”

Your "show me a list" demand is not a real response to what I wrote. And as already pointed out, and as I'm fairly certain you know, even where a profit is to be made, government action is part of bringing that about.


paulsurovell said:

nohero said:

I give more weight to what he actually said than to his after-the-fact "what I really meant".

Point out the differences.

What he actually said has been posted, in text and in video form. 


paulsurovell said:

You havent read carefully what RFK Jr tweeted, which is consistent with what he said.

I don’t know whether you’re deliberately wrong or not … but I do not believe and am not implying that you’re deliberately wrong.


nohero said:

I give more weight to what he actually said than to his after-the-fact "what I really meant".

I’m sorry but it is very ironic for a Biden guy to say this….


paulsurovell said:


-- But he does not believe that Covid was "deliberately engineered" to have that ethnic effect.



"We don't know whether it was deliberately targeted at that or not, but there are papers out there that show the... um... the racial and ethnic differential impact for that.  What we do know that the Chinese are spending hundreds of millions of dollars developing ethnic bioweapons and we are developing ethnic bioweapons."

This is a direct quote from RFK Jr.  Where do you get the idea he does not believe that COVID was deliberately engineered to have that effect?  He says "we don't know" and then immediately states that the Chinese and US are developing ethnic bioweapons.  His implications are clear.


You have to read it “carefully “.

“Carefully” is where the magic happens. 


Smedley said:

nohero said:

I give more weight to what he actually said than to his after-the-fact "what I really meant".

I’m sorry but it is very ironic for a Biden guy to say this….

That has nothing to do with the fact that an objective view shows that his "explanation" doesn't negate what he vigorously asserted at the time.

If you want to set out facts which show otherwise, that would be interesting to see.


https://freespoke.com/story/K5box5FhxSscMxNcgPx_H/press-dinner-for-rfk-jr-turns-into-screaming-and-farting-episode-for-guests

The New York Post‘s Page Six shared a wild account of a “gaseous” dinner for Democratic presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on Tuesday evening, which reportedly devolved into a farting and shouting match over the issue of climate change.

According to Page Six, which witnessed the incident, Kennedy’s New York Citypress dinner at Tony’s restaurant on the Upper East Side devolved into a bitter argument after Kennedy was asked a question about the environment.

Dinner host Doug Dechert reportedly responded to the question by screaming “the climate hoax!” which allegedly woke up his friend Anthony Haden-Guest, who had been taking a nap.





I think Kennedy is running in the wrong primary.

(Graph from Philip Bump in the Washington Post)


STATEMENT BY KERRY KENNEDY ON ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR. RECENT REMARKS

"I strongly condemn my brother's deplorable and untruthful remarks last week about Covid being engineered for ethnic targeting. His statements do not represent what I believe or what Robert F. Kennedy Human Rights stand for, with our 50+-year track record of protecting rights and standing against racism and all forms of discrimination."


    PVW said:

    I think Kennedy is running in the wrong primary.

    (Graph from Philip Bump in the Washington Post)

    What is net favorability?


    RFK Jr.’s sister condemns ‘deplorable and untruthful’ remarks about COVID, ethnic targeting
    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4101873-rfk-jr-s-sister-condemns-deplorable-and-untruthful-remarks-about-covid-ethnic-targeting/

    Kerry Kennedy, the sister of Democratic presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr., has publicly condemned her brother’s recent remarks on COVID-19 and ethnic targeting.

    “I strongly condemn my brother’s deplorable and untruthful remarks last week about Covid being engineered for ethnic targeting,” Kennedy said in a statement Monday through her family’s nonprofit organization, Robert F. Kennedy Human Rights.


    yahooyahoo said:

    What is net favorability?

    “The share of Americans with a favorable view minus the share with an unfavorable view.” —YouGov


    Where is his scientific evidence?  He has none. 


    yahooyahoo said:

    RFK Jr.’s sister condemns ‘deplorable and untruthful’ remarks about COVID, ethnic targeting
    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4101873-rfk-jr-s-sister-condemns-deplorable-and-untruthful-remarks-about-covid-ethnic-targeting/

    Kerry Kennedy, the sister of Democratic presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr., has publicly condemned her brother’s recent remarks on COVID-19 and ethnic targeting.

    “I strongly condemn my brother’s deplorable and untruthful remarks last week about Covid being engineered for ethnic targeting,” Kennedy said in a statement Monday through her family’s nonprofit organization, Robert F. Kennedy Human Rights.

    Apparently Kelly reads the NY Post instead of what her brother says.

    https://maplewood.worldwebs.com/forums/discussion/subforum/rfk-jr-for-president/politics-plus?page=next&limit=30#discussion-replies-3624474


    China was paid off by the Big Restaurant Lobby to keep Jews alive for their business on Christmas day.

    On another note: RFK is quite insane.


    paulsurovell said:

    yahooyahoo said:

    RFK Jr.’s sister condemns ‘deplorable and untruthful’ remarks about COVID, ethnic targeting
    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4101873-rfk-jr-s-sister-condemns-deplorable-and-untruthful-remarks-about-covid-ethnic-targeting/

    Kerry Kennedy, the sister of Democratic presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr., has publicly condemned her brother’s recent remarks on COVID-19 and ethnic targeting.

    “I strongly condemn my brother’s deplorable and untruthful remarks last week about Covid being engineered for ethnic targeting,” Kennedy said in a statement Monday through her family’s nonprofit organization, Robert F. Kennedy Human Rights.

    Apparently Kelly reads the NY Post instead of what her brother says.

    https://maplewood.worldwebs.com/forums/discussion/subforum/rfk-jr-for-president/politics-plus?page=next&limit=30#discussion-replies-3624474

    Who is Kelly?


    paulsurovell said:

    Apparently Kelly reads the NY Post instead of what her brother says.

    https://maplewood.worldwebs.com/forums/discussion/subforum/rfk-jr-for-president/politics-plus?page=next&limit=30#discussion-replies-3624474

    Oh, look, right after that post, there are responses like the one below, that serve to respond to your stupid insult of Kerry Kennedy. 

    nohero said:

    paulsurovell said:

    https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1680227322509635595?s=20

    The @nypost story is mistaken. I have never, ever suggested that the COVID-19 virus was targeted to spare Jews. I accurately pointed out — during an off-the-record conversation — that the U.S. and other governments are developing ethnically targeted bioweapons and that a 2021 study of the COVID-19 virus shows that COVID-19 appears to disproportionately affect certain races since the furin cleave docking site is most compatible with Blacks and Caucasians and least compatible with ethnic Chinese, Finns, and Ashkenazi Jews. In that sense, it serves as a kind of proof of concept for ethnically targeted bioweapons. I do not believe and never implied that the ethnic effect was deliberately engineered. That study is here: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32664879/10:46 AM · Jul 15, 2023·2.2M Views

    What a load of sh*t. You can listen to him, or pay attention to the reality that neither Jewish nor Chinese people were any "safer" than anyone else. And his mealy-mouthed "what I really said" doesn't match what he really said. 

    RFK Jr. is the Alex Jones of Tulsi Gabbards.


    paulsurovell said:

    Apparently Kelly reads the NY Post instead of what her brother says.

    https://maplewood.worldwebs.com/forums/discussion/subforum/rfk-jr-for-president/politics-plus?page=next&limit=30#discussion-replies-3624474

    The video shows what he said: 

    cramer said:

    Where is his scientific evidence?  He has none. 


    Folks, please get onboard with the Surovell Doctrine which is: "Don't listen to what I said; listen to what I said I said."


    tjohn said:

    Folks, please get onboard with the Surovell Doctrine which is: "Don't listen to what I said; listen to what I said I said."

    RFK Jr: "We don't know that it was deliberately targeted that way."

    Kelly: "“I strongly condemn my brother’s deplorable and untruthful remarks last week about Covid being engineered for ethnic targeting"


    nohero said:

    paulsurovell said:

    Apparently Kelly reads the NY Post instead of what her brother says.

    https://maplewood.worldwebs.com/forums/discussion/subforum/rfk-jr-for-president/politics-plus?page=next&limit=30#discussion-replies-3624474

    Oh, look, right after that post, there are responses like the one below, that serve to respond to your stupid insult of Kerry Kennedy. 

    nohero said:

    paulsurovell said:

    https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1680227322509635595?s=20

    The @nypost story is mistaken. I have never, ever suggested that the COVID-19 virus was targeted to spare Jews. I accurately pointed out — during an off-the-record conversation — that the U.S. and other governments are developing ethnically targeted bioweapons and that a 2021 study of the COVID-19 virus shows that COVID-19 appears to disproportionately affect certain races since the furin cleave docking site is most compatible with Blacks and Caucasians and least compatible with ethnic Chinese, Finns, and Ashkenazi Jews. In that sense, it serves as a kind of proof of concept for ethnically targeted bioweapons. I do not believe and never implied that the ethnic effect was deliberately engineered. That study is here: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32664879/10:46 AM · Jul 15, 2023·2.2M Views

    What a load of sh*t. You can listen to him, or pay attention to the reality that neither Jewish nor Chinese people were any "safer" than anyone else. And his mealy-mouthed "what I really said" doesn't match what he really said. 

    RFK Jr. is the Alex Jones of Tulsi Gabbards.

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    nohero said:

    paulsurovell said:

    https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1680227322509635595?s=20

    The @nypost story is mistaken. I have never, ever suggested that the COVID-19 virus was targeted to spare Jews. I accurately pointed out — during an off-the-record conversation — that the U.S. and other governments are developing ethnically targeted bioweapons and that a 2021 study of the COVID-19 virus shows that COVID-19 appears to disproportionately affect certain races since the furin cleave docking site is most compatible with Blacks and Caucasians and least compatible with ethnic Chinese, Finns, and Ashkenazi Jews. In that sense, it serves as a kind of proof of concept for ethnically targeted bioweapons. I do not believe and never implied that the ethnic effect was deliberately engineered. That study is here: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32664879/10:46 AM · Jul 15, 2023·2.2M Views

    What a load of sh*t. You can listen to him, or pay attention to the reality that neither Jewish nor Chinese people were any "safer" than anyone else. And his mealy-mouthed "what I really said" doesn't match what he really said. 

    RFK Jr. is the Alex Jones of Tulsi Gabbards.

    I didn't "insult" Kerry Kennedy I pointed out that she made a false allegation against her brother.

    Here's another response to RFK Jr's tweet:


    There's a weird presumption RFK makes that China's official death by Covid tally is anywhere close to accurate.  I find that odd.


    paulsurovell said:

    nohero said:

    paulsurovell said:

    Apparently Kelly reads the NY Post instead of what her brother says.

    https://maplewood.worldwebs.com/forums/discussion/subforum/rfk-jr-for-president/politics-plus?page=next&limit=30#discussion-replies-3624474



    I didn't "insult" Kerry Kennedy I pointed out that she made a false allegation against her brother.

    No, you said that she didn't read the transcript or watch the video, just relied on the NY Post.


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