Let me get this straight. I just want to understand this. The prevailing opinion here is that its totally fine and even justice to fine Trump just short of a half a billion dollars for a victimless crime.
This same group holds the opinion that vaccines that we were told were effective enough to provide herd immunity if only everyone would get it. They then brow beat everyone who was hesitant and even had a slur for them(Damn Antivaxxer!) People were fired. Nurses who were in hospitals during the height of the pandemic and thus contracted the disease were fired for not getting the vaccine. They had to smear people. They doctored video of Joe Rogan and tried to smear him because one of the treatments he took was "horse paste." We were purposefully misled about the origin of the disease.
And they made billions of dollars. The most profitable drugs in history. They are shielded from liability. These people closed schools for like 2 years. People lost their businesses.
And you give them EVERY benefit of the doubt.
I will note that one presidential candidate was all over this from the beginning.
I see that claim a lot. That vaccinated people were spreading the disease as much (or more!) than unvaccinated people. That doesn't even pass the common sense test. People who were vaccinated were less likely to get infected than unvaccinated. If a person is not infected, they don't spread the disease. Yes, vaccinated people did get infected, with symptoms or asymptomatic. But overall, they were less likely to pass on the virus than unvaccinated people.
of course, if vaccinated people didn't get boosters, the likelihood of transmission increased. Also something that common sense would tell us.
I had never really looked into how vaccines worked prior to COVID. I always assumed that vaccines worked by preventing infection, so was surprised when people continued to get COVID after the vaccine. The early reporting on the vaccine, like the infamous piece by Maddow didn't help, and the anti-vaxxers have jumped on that early reporting to push their agenda.
The fact is that the COVID vaccine dramatically reduces the effects of the disease and also aids in preventing transmission.
Let me get this straight. I just want to understand this. The prevailing opinion here is that its totally fine and even justice to fine Trump just short of a half a billion dollars for a victimless crime.
This same group holds the opinion that vaccines that we were told were effective enough to provide herd immunity if only everyone would get it. They then brow beat everyone who was hesitant and even had a slur for them(Damn Antivaxxer!) People were fired. Nurses who were in hospitals during the height of the pandemic and thus contracted the disease were fired for not getting the vaccine. They had to smear people. They doctored video of Joe Rogan and tried to smear him because one of the treatments he took was "horse paste." We were purposefully misled about the origin of the disease.
And they made billions of dollars. The most profitable drugs in history. They are shielded from liability. These people closed schools for like 2 years. People lost their businesses.
And you give them EVERY benefit of the doubt.
I will note that one presidential candidate was all over this from the beginning.
embarrassing. just embarrassing.
just about every sentence wrong.
for real. A bunch of unconnected stuff thrown together. What does Donald Trump's trial have to do with any of the rest of this? What do pharma profits have to do with school and business closures? What?
and not for nothing, but why should we be upset that the corporations that developed the vaccines made money on them? The alternative would be socialized health care, in which vaccines and other medications would be dispensed at government expense. Personally I'd be ok with socialized health care. But I don't think the majority of Americans want that. So the alternative is profit-based corporate health care, in which pharma companies make big profits.
I had never really looked into how vaccines worked prior to COVID. I always assumed that vaccines worked by preventing infection, so was surprised when people continued to get COVID after the vaccine. The early reporting on the vaccine, like the infamous piece by Maddow didn't help, and the anti-vaxxers have jumped on that early reporting to push their agenda.
The fact is that the COVID vaccine dramatically reduces the effects of the disease and also aids in preventing transmission.
It had been a long time since we experienced a pandemic of this scale. I'm not sure how far back you'd have to go -- as far as the Spanish flu? Barely any lived experience by anyone for this kind of situation, and people's expectations were not aligned. And we live in an age where people mistake screaming on twitter for information, which didn't help at all.
I had never really looked into how vaccines worked prior to COVID. I always assumed that vaccines worked by preventing infection, so was surprised when people continued to get COVID after the vaccine. The early reporting on the vaccine, like the infamous piece by Maddow didn't help, and the anti-vaxxers have jumped on that early reporting to push their agenda.
The fact is that the COVID vaccine dramatically reduces the effects of the disease and also aids in preventing transmission.
It had been a long time since we experienced a pandemic of this scale. I'm not sure how far back you'd have to go -- as far as the Spanish flu? Barely any lived experience by anyone for this kind of situation, and people's expectations were not aligned. And we live in an age where people mistake screaming on twitter for information, which didn't help at all.
agreed. people don't appreciate the difficulty in managing public health during a situation like COVID. certainly didn't help with having a lying buffoon as President.
I had never really looked into how vaccines worked prior to COVID. I always assumed that vaccines worked by preventing infection, so was surprised when people continued to get COVID after the vaccine. The early reporting on the vaccine, like the infamous piece by Maddow didn't help, and the anti-vaxxers have jumped on that early reporting to push their agenda.
The fact is that the COVID vaccine dramatically reduces the effects of the disease and also aids in preventing transmission.
It had been a long time since we experienced a pandemic of this scale. I'm not sure how far back you'd have to go -- as far as the Spanish flu? Barely any lived experience by anyone for this kind of situation, and people's expectations were not aligned. And we live in an age where people mistake screaming on twitter for information, which didn't help at all.
agreed. people don't appreciate the difficulty in managing public health during a situation like COVID. certainly didn't help with having a lying buffoon as President.
the tragedy is how many people died needless deaths because partisanship led to them refusing a vaccination.
When I was a senior in high school in Greenwich Ct in 1972 our community experienced a polio outbreak. I was at a party and among those there were a group of athletes from a local private Christian Science Boarding School. Because they were Christian Scientists, none of them were immunized. There was a polio outbreak at their school. Several of the young men I met at that party came down with polio and were paralyzed for life. One moment they were healthy high school kids. A week later their lives as they knew them were over. It was devastating for everyone who knew them. Even 50 years later, when I think about it, it hurts. I can not imagine the tragedy that could have unfolded if immunization had not been required for every public school student. Of course, only the Daycroft School kids got sick. And immediately after their illness was identified as polio, every student at their school was immunized.
Why anyone with any kind of conscience would not immunize themselves and their children against deadly diseases like measles and polio is beyond me. Measles is so highly contagious that one sick child in school could easily infect 100 others. Rubella (German measles) can be asymptomatic and if contracted by a pregnant woman it could cause fetal death or birth defects. Why would anyone be so selfish to be willing to risk that. If you or your unvaccinated children expose someone with a compromised immune system to a disease for which you could have been vaccinated, you could be responsible for their death, or their child's death, or the death of their unborn child. Yes, personal freedom is important, but we do live in a society and like it or not, we have a basic responsibility to each other.
If you're concerned about contracting the Measles you should get vaccinated.
I keep coming back to this and wondering why someone might not be concerned about getting measles. The only answer that I can come up with that is at all rational would be that such person is relying on everyone else to be vaccinated which would prevent exposure. Seems a classic free-rider libertarian approach to life.
If you're concerned about contracting the Measles you should get vaccinated.
I keep coming back to this and wondering why someone might not be concerned about getting measles. The only answer that I can come up with that is at all rational would be that such person is relying on everyone else to be vaccinated which would prevent exposure. Seems a classic free-rider libertarian approach to life.
If you're concerned about contracting the Measles you should get vaccinated.
I keep coming back to this and wondering why someone might not be concerned about getting measles. The only answer that I can come up with that is at all rational would be that such person is relying on everyone else to be vaccinated which would prevent exposure. Seems a classic free-rider libertarian approach to life.
"free rider" or "parasite"?
Cats. Completely dependent on others, but fully convinced of their own independence.
this is a remarkable anti-vax thread. I saw some stuff here that I've never seen before, and I've seen a lot on the subject. required reading for conspiracy aficionados.
Its like we're living in 2 completely different realities. Do you think its fair for people to scratch their heads a bit when they see things like this?
Excited to dive into a new FOIA on the CDC's long-term study of myocarditis after COVID-19 vaccination. https://t.co/ZZptnE02Zu
Its like we're living in 2 completely different realities. Do you think its fair for people to scratch their heads a bit when they see things like this?
I'm scratching my head because I have to guess what the point of your post is.
Its like we're living in 2 completely different realities. Do you think its fair for people to scratch their heads a bit when they see things like this?
Again, people will go after those they don't like and assume the worst. The CDC releases a safety study due to a FOIA request and redact the entire document, and nobody here bats an eye.
Terp, medical and scientific knowledge is constantly changing. Old medicines are constantly being brought back into use for new purposes (there was a report earlier this week re an old drug for something like diabetes having a new use for Parkinson’s patients or something like that). And even today I read a serious report challenging what we know about the theories of gravity and of dark matter, with totally new proposals based on fresh observations and calculations (fresh science). It’s not a conspiracy. It’s not based on secrets and mysteries. It’s new ways of interpreting data and of using that information. I’m someone that benefits from that careful reconsideration of medicinal safety; I’m also part of a family that reports medical side effects to almost innocuous medications, products and procedures. And oh my heavens, if you sat with me and discussed my shopping lists, you’d never believe how restricted I am!
Its like we're living in 2 completely different realities. Do you think its fair for people to scratch their heads a bit when they see things like this?
I'm scratching my head because I have to guess what the point of your post is.
Again, people will go after those they don't like and assume the worst. The CDC releases a safety study due to a FOIA request and redact the entire document, and nobody here bats an eye.
So you posted something vague, and then insult people because they didn't know what point you were trying to make.
I'll "bat an eye" when you feel like sharing more information available about what you say we should "bat an eye" about.
Sorry. Nohero and I go back a ways. He attacked me once in my DMs and when I responded he got me banned. Those were the days...
oh so you’ve been doing this for a while huh…did he actually call you a jackass? Your response must’ve been pretty obscene to be banned for it… I would stick with jackass…
I'd post the links to the science but it's from the NIH, so...