I don't get it. Stein wants Harris to adopt a hard line against Israel or else she will work to defeat Harris? Does she think that Trump will restrain Israel?
I don't get it. Stein wants Harris to adopt a hard line against Israel or else she will work to defeat Harris? Does she think that Trump will restrain Israel?
No, but she is making inroads in places that Harris normally would win. The Democrats have turned into the party of war. Trump presents a better solution to Ukraine than Harris does also. He probably won't follow through, but at least he understands it has to end. Harris appears weak in foreign policy. I have to wonder if she would have granted permission for Ukraine to use long-range missiles in Russia. That makes me think she might be a disaster waiting to happen.
Anyway, people are sick of these wars and it's a MAJOR issue and the only candidates who are against them are the 3rd party candidates so no surprise they are getting traction.
I don't get it. Stein wants Harris to adopt a hard line against Israel or else she will work to defeat Harris? Does she think that Trump will restrain Israel?
No, but she is making inroads in places that Harris normally would win. The Democrats have turned into the party of war. Trump presents a better solution to Ukraine than Harris does also. He probably won't follow through, but at least he understands it has to end. Harris appears weak in foreign policy. I have to wonder if she would have granted permission for Ukraine to use long-range missiles in Russia. That makes me think she might be a disaster waiting to happen.
Anyway, people are sick of these wars and it's a MAJOR issue and the only candidates who are against them are the 3rd party candidates so no surprise they are getting traction.
Don't shoot the messenger.
Stein is focused on the Middle East and is demanding that Harris apply real pressure on Israel to agree to ceasefire deals. There are plausible scenarios in which her stance gives Trump the win. So, in effect, she is saying that Trump is the better option than Harris. If we had a parliamentary democracy where a green party could ally with major parties to achieve political goals, what she is doing would be reasonable enough. However, our system is winner take all.
I don't get it. Stein wants Harris to adopt a hard line against Israel or else she will work to defeat Harris? Does she think that Trump will restrain Israel?
No, but she is making inroads in places that Harris normally would win. The Democrats have turned into the party of war. Trump presents a better solution to Ukraine than Harris does also. He probably won't follow through, but at least he understands it has to end. Harris appears weak in foreign policy. I have to wonder if she would have granted permission for Ukraine to use long-range missiles in Russia. That makes me think she might be a disaster waiting to happen.
Anyway, people are sick of these wars and it's a MAJOR issue and the only candidates who are against them are the 3rd party candidates so no surprise they are getting traction.
Don't shoot the messenger.
Stein is focused on the Middle East and is demanding that Harris apply real pressure on Israel to agree to ceasefire deals. There are plausible scenarios in which her stance gives Trump the win. So, in effect, she is saying that Trump is the better option than Harris. If we had a parliamentary democracy where a green party could ally with major parties to achieve political goals, what she is doing would be reasonable enough. However, our system is winner take all.
I don't think she is thinking that way. Harris is part of the party that is in power now. She is going after them because they are responsible. But, you are right that it does give the advantage to Trump--except that people who won't vote for Harris over this issue are not going to vote for Trump instead. So, it's lost votes, not votes changed to Trump votes.
I don't get it. Stein wants Harris to adopt a hard line against Israel or else she will work to defeat Harris? Does she think that Trump will restrain Israel?
Right now, Vladimir Putin realizes that Jill Stein is his best chance to get Trump back into the White House. So he issues his orders and she jumps to his tune. Simple as that.
Right now, Vladimir Putin realizes that Jill Stein is his best chance to get Trump back into the White House. So he issues his orders and she jumps to his tune. Simple as that.
Jill Stein has NOTHING to do with Putin. That is soooooo moronic. She was once at a dinner in Russia where he attended. I don't even think she spoke to him but there is a picture where you can see both of them. The media has gone wild with this and made up all kinds of crap. You just sound like a total ignoramus when you spout this kind of thing.
Right now, Vladimir Putin realizes that Jill Stein is his best chance to get Trump back into the White House. So he issues his orders and she jumps to his tune. Simple as that.
Jill Stein has NOTHING to do with Putin. That is soooooo moronic. She was once at a dinner in Russia where he attended. I don't even think she spoke to him but there is a picture where you can see both of them. The media has gone wild with this and made up all kinds of crap. You just sound like a total ignoramus when you spout this kind of thing.
or he is pulling your chain and, as usual, you swallowed the hook.
or he is pulling your chain and, as usual, you swallowed the hook.
Maybe I am. Maybe I really believe it.
Putin doesn’t give his orders directly. Everyone knows that. It doesn’t matter if they’ve never met. It doesn’t matter if she even knows she marches to his orders. She’s on his list of assets. She got Trump elected in 2016 and she’ll do it again in 2024. She’s a useful idiot like Trump himself.
Right now, Vladimir Putin realizes that Jill Stein is his best chance to get Trump back into the White House. So he issues his orders and she jumps to his tune. Simple as that.
Jill Stein has NOTHING to do with Putin. That is soooooo moronic. She was once at a dinner in Russia where he attended. I don't even think she spoke to him but there is a picture where you can see both of them. The media has gone wild with this and made up all kinds of crap. You just sound like a total ignoramus when you spout this kind of thing.
or he is pulling your chain and, as usual, you swallowed the hook.
Still, Comrade Stein has a nice ring to it.
I hope for his sake he was joking. He can't be that stupid, can he?
or he is pulling your chain and, as usual, you swallowed the hook.
Maybe I am. Maybe I really believe it.
Putin doesn’t give his orders directly. Everyone knows that. It doesn’t matter if they’ve never met. It doesn’t matter if she even knows she marches to his orders. She’s on his list of assets. She got Trump elected in 2016 and she’ll do it again in 2024. She’s a useful idiot like Trump himself.
I don't get it. Stein wants Harris to adopt a hard line against Israel or else she will work to defeat Harris? Does she think that Trump will restrain Israel?
No, but she is making inroads in places that Harris normally would win. The Democrats have turned into the party of war. Trump presents a better solution to Ukraine than Harris does also. He probably won't follow through, but at least he understands it has to end. Harris appears weak in foreign policy. I have to wonder if she would have granted permission for Ukraine to use long-range missiles in Russia. That makes me think she might be a disaster waiting to happen.
Anyway, people are sick of these wars and it's a MAJOR issue and the only candidates who are against them are the 3rd party candidates so no surprise they are getting traction.
Don't shoot the messenger.
Stein is focused on the Middle East and is demanding that Harris apply real pressure on Israel to agree to ceasefire deals. There are plausible scenarios in which her stance gives Trump the win. So, in effect, she is saying that Trump is the better option than Harris. If we had a parliamentary democracy where a green party could ally with major parties to achieve political goals, what she is doing would be reasonable enough. However, our system is winner take all.
I don't think she is thinking that way. Harris is part of the party that is in power now. She is going after them because they are responsible. But, you are right that it does give the advantage to Trump--except that people who won't vote for Harris over this issue are not going to vote for Trump instead. So, it's lost votes, not votes changed to Trump votes.
You do realize, based on our system, and arithmetic, that fewer votes for Harris does mean more chance T wins? Stein fans don't have to actually vote for T to bring about that outcome.
I don't get it. Stein wants Harris to adopt a hard line against Israel or else she will work to defeat Harris? Does she think that Trump will restrain Israel?
No, but she is making inroads in places that Harris normally would win. The Democrats have turned into the party of war. Trump presents a better solution to Ukraine than Harris does also. He probably won't follow through, but at least he understands it has to end. Harris appears weak in foreign policy. I have to wonder if she would have granted permission for Ukraine to use long-range missiles in Russia. That makes me think she might be a disaster waiting to happen.
Anyway, people are sick of these wars and it's a MAJOR issue and the only candidates who are against them are the 3rd party candidates so no surprise they are getting traction.
Don't shoot the messenger.
Stein is focused on the Middle East and is demanding that Harris apply real pressure on Israel to agree to ceasefire deals. There are plausible scenarios in which her stance gives Trump the win. So, in effect, she is saying that Trump is the better option than Harris. If we had a parliamentary democracy where a green party could ally with major parties to achieve political goals, what she is doing would be reasonable enough. However, our system is winner take all.
I don't think she is thinking that way. Harris is part of the party that is in power now. She is going after them because they are responsible. But, you are right that it does give the advantage to Trump--except that people who won't vote for Harris over this issue are not going to vote for Trump instead. So, it's lost votes, not votes changed to Trump votes.
You do realize, based on our system, and arithmetic, that fewer votes for Harris does mean more chance T wins? Stein fans don't have to actually vote for T to bring about that outcome.
I don't think she cares. She feels the two party system is broken.
Here is what Jill Stein had to say about "spoilers."
Pundits on @MSNBC say the only reason to challenge the 2-party system is to be a "spoiler". The term "spoiler" was first used by the pro-slavery Whig party to smear anti-slavery candidates.
That's how long people like this have been fighting against democracy and human progress. pic.twitter.com/Kp1jFwmJEQ
— Dr. Jill Stein
Not the "reason" to challenge, but certainly the outcome at this point.
Like our neighbors with the "I Hope You Both Lose" sign - my question for her and them would be: given that one of the 2 main party candidates WILL win this election, do you really not have ANY preference for one of them over the other, or ANY idea that one is worse than the other? If so (can't see how that could be, but maybe you can explain), then do vote 3rd party. If not, please see your way clear to vote for the lesser evil.
Then have a blast organizing for a new party, after the election.
Here is what Jill Stein had to say about "spoilers."
Pundits on @MSNBC say the only reason to challenge the 2-party system is to be a "spoiler". The term "spoiler" was first used by the pro-slavery Whig party to smear anti-slavery candidates.
That's how long people like this have been fighting against democracy and human progress. pic.twitter.com/Kp1jFwmJEQ
— Dr. Jill Stein
Not the "reason" to challenge, but certainly the outcome at this point.
Like our neighbors with the "I Hope You Both Lose" sign - my question for her and them would be: given that one of the 2 main party candidates WILL win this election, do you really not have ANY preference for one of them over the other, or ANY idea that one is worse than the other? If so (can't see how that could be, but maybe you can explain), then do vote 3rd party. If not, please see your way clear to vote for the lesser evil.
Then have a blast organizing for a new party, after the election.
nan said: I don't think she cares. She feels the two party system is broken.
what a time in our history to not care… maybe she’s even more stupid than some of us here…
You can call her all the names you want. Not going to change the fact that she is appealing to some groups in a way the Democrats and the Republicans don't. She does not care about your "spoiler" arguments.
She thinks the two party system is broken.
Might want to look at her reasons. Maybe there is something the Democrats are not doing to earn votes?
I did see your post about spoilers. Doesn't change the effect of voting 3rd party, or not voting, in this election. And "doesn't care" is pretty damning in itself, is it not? Being far-sighted is a great thing, but not when you're about to step in a big deep hole.
I did see your post about spoilers. Doesn't change the effect of voting 3rd party, or not voting, in this election. And "doesn't care" is pretty damning in itself, is it not?
Clean hands i guess. Pontius Pilate anyone?
She cares A LOT. Just not in the way you do. She cares about war and genocide. Those are red lines for her. Harris has made it clear ("I want to have the most lethal military in the world") that she will not stop the endless wars. She is running to the right of Trump on that. He's horrible also, but Harris is worse because she does not believe in diplomacy.
I know a lot of you are focused on Trump's domestic policy ideas which are terrible. But, do you realize how close we are to WWIII and nuclear war? It's like the Cuban Missile crisis is back and some of you think the election is about women's right to choose. That's a non-starter if we are all dead or in WWIII. We need negotiations in Ukraine yesterday and to stop sending lethal weapons to Israel. Harris will never do that.
The two party system is not the problem, and anyone who thinks so is a *******. (choose your favorite denigrating word)
Hi Jill Stein!! And supporters! And third party fans!
The problem is money in politics, a constitution that is too rigid and undemocratic, and rampant disinformation. (There are other problems, but those are the biggies that affect our politics. )
And the solution certainly is not to run as a third party that causes the worst candidate to benefit. That, in fact, is the stupidest solution.
And Jill Stein is a grifting sack o' crap who deigns to show her face every four years to do what exactly? Has she actually ever accomplished anything to our benefit?
I did see your post about spoilers. Doesn't change the effect of voting 3rd party, or not voting, in this election. And "doesn't care" is pretty damning in itself, is it not?
Clean hands i guess. Pontius Pilate anyone?
She cares A LOT. Just not in the way you do. She cares about war and genocide. Those are red lines for her. Harris has made it clear ("I want to have the most lethal military in the world") that she will not stop the endless wars. She is running to the right of Trump on that. He's horrible also, but Harris is worse because she does not believe in diplomacy.
I know a lot of you are focused on Trump's domestic policy ideas which are terrible. But, do you realize how close we are to WWIII and nuclear war? It's like the Cuban Missile crisis is back and some of you think the election is about women's right to choose. That's a non-starter if we are all dead or in WWIII. We need negotiations in Ukraine yesterday and to stop sending lethal weapons to Israel. Harris will never do that.
if she "cared" she would do something other than show up to run for Prez every four years. The only thing she cares about is herself.
At least 100 dead and 600 missing in North Carolina because of climate devastation and Kamala Harris continues to double-down on climate-killing fracking. Her position on fracking is identical to Trump's. Thankfully we have a choice. Vote for Jill Stein. pic.twitter.com/fFsWxHtxaK
She cares A LOT. Just not in the way you do. She cares about war and genocide. Those are red lines for her. Harris has made it clear ("I want to have the most lethal military in the world") that she will not stop the endless wars.
If she cares about war and genocide - that's great - stop the genocide in Ukraine and stop sending young Russians to the slaughterhouse - at least there's finally something we agree on.
Jill Stein: How and Why I Will Stop Kamala Harris Winning the White House - Newsweek
I don't get it. Stein wants Harris to adopt a hard line against Israel or else she will work to defeat Harris? Does she think that Trump will restrain Israel?