Uh, Trump obviously is being allowed to be above the law and over half the nation voted to clear his way…
What’s the thought? Let those obviously lying have it their way while they get away with whatever they want up to and including attempting to overthrow the government ???
terp said:
I think its important to remember...
A pundit who personifies the ridiculousness of the handwringing.
Same guy, writing about Joe Biden 5 months ago -
"He should pardon his son, who is being perversely treated much more harshly than a typical criminal defendant to make a point."
Of course there should be checks on a President's pardon power, but the need for that constitutional fix was evident long before this past weekend.
I used to read Yglesias years ago.
He's gone really soft in the head since then.
Not commenting on Biden's decision but I once posted that I wasn't a fan of the whole Presidential pardon thing. Even the timing of it, as a President leaves office. I think we could live without it. I recall there was disagreement with my sentiment.
The interesting thing about this pardon is that it covers a long period of time starting in 2014 (the year of the Ukraine coup). Biden is not just pardoning Hunter, he is pardoning himself.
I was surprised to learn Biden only used the pardon 26 times in his term.
Trump: 144 over one term.
Obama: 212 over two terms.
This makes Trump the Pardoner-in-Chief before even being sworn in for his second term.
dave said:
I was surprised to learn Biden only used the pardon 26 times in his term.
Trump: 144 over one term.
Obama: 212 over two terms.
This makes Trump the Pardoner-in-Chief before even being sworn in for his second term.
Biden most certainly isn't done yet.
nan said:
The interesting thing about this pardon is that it covers a long period of time starting in 2014 (the year of the Ukraine coup). Biden is not just pardoning Hunter, he is pardoning himself.
Why? Did Biden also make a "perfect phone call" threatening to withhold arms?
dave said:
Media and politicians everywhere.
Me: well, duh.
It is predictable. It's a deeply corrupt family.
The whole crimes committed during a 10 year period thing. Has that ever been done before?
terp said:
dave said:
I was surprised to learn Biden only used the pardon 26 times in his term.
Trump: 144 over one term.
Obama: 212 over two terms.
This makes Trump the Pardoner-in-Chief before even being sworn in for his second term.
Biden most certainly isn't done yet.
Sure. However, he can only pardon those found guilty of something. The Senate should get Jack Smith a judgeship though. The guy was just doing his job, but Trump is a vindictive man child.
nan said:
The interesting thing about this pardon is that it covers a long period of time starting in 2014 (the year of the Ukraine coup). Biden is not just pardoning Hunter, he is pardoning himself.
Nan, have you even listened to this? These morons are couching their charges in phrases like "things Biden has perhaps done and perhaps not." I guess they heard about what happened to Murdoch and InfoWars. F them and all interviewers who are making charges and backing off: I'm only asking the question.
I wouldn't sit on any sofas in the White House if you know what I mean.
It was for 10 years because of statute of limitations issues knowing that TFG would direct the entirety of the DOJ to harass his kid. Don’t blame him a bit
Steve said:
It was for 10 years because of statute of limitations issues knowing that TFG would direct the entirety of the DOJ to harass his kid. Don’t blame him a bit
^this
dave said:
nan said:
The interesting thing about this pardon is that it covers a long period of time starting in 2014 (the year of the Ukraine coup). Biden is not just pardoning Hunter, he is pardoning himself.
Nan, have you even listened to this? These morons are couching their charges in phrases like "things Biden has perhaps done and perhaps not." I guess they heard about what happened to Murdoch and InfoWars. F them and all interviewers who are making charges and backing off: I'm only asking the question.
I wouldn't sit on any sofas in the White House if you know what I mean.
Of course I listened and I thought it was an interesting discussion. They are careful about what they say because that's what good news analysts do.
What they discussed:
Here is the Politico article that was discussed in the Duran video. They have not seen a pardon like this since Richard Nixon's.
The “full and unconditional” pardon is aimed at protecting the president’s son from future prosecution by the Trump Justice Department.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/02/hunter-biden-pardon-nixon-00192101
Hunter Biden’s pardon looks a lot like Richard Nixon’s.
President Joe Biden’s grant of clemency on Sunday night — an extraordinary political act with extraordinary legal breadth — insulates his son from ever facing federal charges over any crimes he possibly could have committed over the past decade.
Experts on pardons said they could think of only one other person who has received a presidential pardon so sweeping in generations: Nixon, who was given a blanket pardon by Gerald Ford in 1974.
I have never seen language like this in a pardon document that purports to pardon offenses that have not apparently even been charged, with the exception of the Nixon pardon,” said Margaret Love, who served from 1990 to 1997 as the U.S. pardon attorney, a Justice Department position devoted to assisting the president on clemency issues.
“Even the broadest Trump pardons were specific as to what was being pardoned,” Love added.
Joe Biden’s “full and unconditional pardon” of his son is deliberately vague. Donald Trump and his allies have long fixated on the president’s son, and Trump has repeatedly pledged to use his second term to investigate and prosecute members of the Biden family. Conservative commentators have engaged in parlor-game speculation that Hunter Biden could be charged with bribery, illegal lobbying or other crimes stemming from his foreign business activities and drug addiction.
So rather than merely pardoning his son for the gun crimes for which he was convicted and the tax crimes for which he pleaded guilty, the president’s pardon covers all “offenses against the United States which he has committed or may have committed or taken part in” from Jan. 1, 2014, through Dec. 1, 2024. That language mirrors the language in Ford’s pardon of Nixon, which did not merely cover the Watergate scandal but extended to “all offenses against the United States” that Nixon “has committed or may have committed” between Jan. 20, 1969, and Aug. 9, 1974 — the exact span of Nixon’s presidency.
The starting date of Jan. 1, 2014, in the Biden pardon was surely not chosen randomly: Hunter Biden joined the board of Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian gas company, in April 2014, while his father was vice president. Republicans have accused the younger Biden of illegally profiting off his position on that board.
The pardon came the day after Trump announced he would nominate Kash Patel, a Trump loyalist, as FBI director. Last year, when it appeared that Hunter Biden was on the verge of a plea deal to resolve his legal troubles, Patel criticized the deal as unusually lenient. (The deal later collapsed.)
“As a former federal public defender and national security prosecutor, this case has singularly done more damage to the institution of justice than I’ve ever seen in my life,” Patel said at the time.
Trump will not be able to undo the pardon when he takes office. And its sweeping nature means the Trump Justice Department will not be able to reopen the long-running criminal probe of the president’s son, according to Samuel Morison, a lawyer focused on clemency who spent 13 years in the Justice Department’s Office of the Pardon Attorney.
Like Love, Morison said the only comparably broad pardon he could think of was the one that went to Nixon.
“It is an extraordinarily broad grant,” he said.
While the sweeping nature of the Hunter Biden pardon is almost without peer in modern American history, in another respect it does mimic a recent precedent started by Trump himself.
In Trump’s first term, he sometimes justified pardons of his political allies by saying they were the victims of unfair prosecution — a posture that broke norms. Past presidents, Morison said, had not generally claimed that pardon recipients were victims of miscarriages of justice; instead, they tended to emphasize that pardon recipients had accepted responsibility for their actions.
“It is to maintain trust in the criminal justice system,” Morison added.
But Trump deviated from that norm — and on Sunday, Joe Biden followed. He justified the pardon by saying his son had been unfairly “singled out.”
“I believe in the justice system, but as I have wrestled with this, I also believe raw politics has infected this process and it led to a miscarriage of justice,” the president said in a statement that accompanied the pardon.
Trump, for his part, is expected to harness the pardon power aggressively when he returns to office. Most notably, he has promised to pardon many of the people convicted for their roles in the attack on the Capitol of Jan. 6, 2021. In criticizing the Hunter Biden pardon on Sunday night, Trump again invoked Jan. 6 defendants, calling them “hostages.”
Morison said Trump will likely cite the Hunter Biden pardon when defending his own pardoning decisions.
“It justifies what Trump wants to do,” he said. “Now, he was going to do it anyway. But it gives him some political cover. I think some January 6 pardons are probably coming — at least some, maybe all.”
DaveSchmidt said:
dave said:
I was surprised to learn Biden only used the pardon 26 times in his term.
By this date in his term, Trump had issued 29 pardons.
By this date in his first term, Obama had issued 22.
I knew not to post this when I hit Add Comment. Dang.
nan said:
Hunter Biden’s pardon looks a lot like Richard Nixon’s.
President Joe Biden’s grant of clemency on Sunday night — an extraordinary political act with extraordinary legal breadth — insulates his son from ever facing federal charges over any crimes he possibly could have committed over the past decade.
Experts on pardons said they could think of only one other person who has received a presidential pardon so sweeping in generations: Nixon, who was given a blanket pardon by Gerald Ford in 1974.
I have never seen language like this in a pardon document that purports to pardon offenses that have not apparently even been charged, with the exception of the Nixon pardon,” said Margaret Love, who served from 1990 to 1997 as the U.S. pardon attorney, a Justice Department position devoted to assisting the president on clemency issues.
“Even the broadest Trump pardons were specific as to what was being pardoned,” Love added.
Joe Biden’s “full and unconditional pardon” of his son is deliberately vague. Donald Trump and his allies have long fixated on the president’s son, and Trump has repeatedly pledged to use his second term to investigate and prosecute members of the Biden family. Conservative commentators have engaged in parlor-game speculation that Hunter Biden could be charged with bribery, illegal lobbying or other crimes stemming from his foreign business activities and drug addiction.
So rather than merely pardoning his son for the gun crimes for which he was convicted and the tax crimes for which he pleaded guilty, the president’s pardon covers all “offenses against the United States which he has committed or may have committed or taken part in” from Jan. 1, 2014, through Dec. 1, 2024. That language mirrors the language in Ford’s pardon of Nixon, which did not merely cover the Watergate scandal but extended to “all offenses against the United States” that Nixon “has committed or may have committed” between Jan. 20, 1969, and Aug. 9, 1974 — the exact span of Nixon’s presidency.
The starting date of Jan. 1, 2014, in the Biden pardon was surely not chosen randomly: Hunter Biden joined the board of Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian gas company, in April 2014, while his father was vice president. Republicans have accused the younger Biden of illegally profiting off his position on that board.
The pardon came the day after Trump announced he would nominate Kash Patel, a Trump loyalist, as FBI director. Last year, when it appeared that Hunter Biden was on the verge of a plea deal to resolve his legal troubles, Patel criticized the deal as unusually lenient. (The deal later collapsed.)
“As a former federal public defender and national security prosecutor, this case has singularly done more damage to the institution of justice than I’ve ever seen in my life,” Patel said at the time.
Trump will not be able to undo the pardon when he takes office. And its sweeping nature means the Trump Justice Department will not be able to reopen the long-running criminal probe of the president’s son, according to Samuel Morison, a lawyer focused on clemency who spent 13 years in the Justice Department’s Office of the Pardon Attorney.
Like Love, Morison said the only comparably broad pardon he could think of was the one that went to Nixon.
“It is an extraordinarily broad grant,” he said.
While the sweeping nature of the Hunter Biden pardon is almost without peer in modern American history, in another respect it does mimic a recent precedent started by Trump himself.
In Trump’s first term, he sometimes justified pardons of his political allies by saying they were the victims of unfair prosecution — a posture that broke norms. Past presidents, Morison said, had not generally claimed that pardon recipients were victims of miscarriages of justice; instead, they tended to emphasize that pardon recipients had accepted responsibility for their actions.
“It is to maintain trust in the criminal justice system,” Morison added.
But Trump deviated from that norm — and on Sunday, Joe Biden followed. He justified the pardon by saying his son had been unfairly “singled out.”
“I believe in the justice system, but as I have wrestled with this, I also believe raw politics has infected this process and it led to a miscarriage of justice,” the president said in a statement that accompanied the pardon.
Trump, for his part, is expected to harness the pardon power aggressively when he returns to office. Most notably, he has promised to pardon many of the people convicted for their roles in the attack on the Capitol of Jan. 6, 2021. In criticizing the Hunter Biden pardon on Sunday night, Trump again invoked Jan. 6 defendants, calling them “hostages.”
Morison said Trump will likely cite the Hunter Biden pardon when defending his own pardoning decisions.
“It justifies what Trump wants to do,” he said. “Now, he was going to do it anyway. But it gives him some political cover. I think some January 6 pardons are probably coming — at least some, maybe all.”Here is the Politico article that was discussed in the Duran video. They have not seen a pardon like this since Richard Nixon's.
We haven’t seen a pardon as sweeping as Hunter Biden’s in generations
The “full and unconditional” pardon is aimed at protecting the president’s son from future prosecution by the Trump Justice Department.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/02/hunter-biden-pardon-nixon-00192101
Click to Read More
I'm sorry, was Hunter Biden in elected office? Here's what I think. Republicans were waging A PROXY WAR against Biden who (don't you know?) STOLE THE ELECTION. Please.
dave said:
nan said:
Hunter Biden’s pardon looks a lot like Richard Nixon’s.
President Joe Biden’s grant of clemency on Sunday night — an extraordinary political act with extraordinary legal breadth — insulates his son from ever facing federal charges over any crimes he possibly could have committed over the past decade.
Experts on pardons said they could think of only one other person who has received a presidential pardon so sweeping in generations: Nixon, who was given a blanket pardon by Gerald Ford in 1974.
I have never seen language like this in a pardon document that purports to pardon offenses that have not apparently even been charged, with the exception of the Nixon pardon,” said Margaret Love, who served from 1990 to 1997 as the U.S. pardon attorney, a Justice Department position devoted to assisting the president on clemency issues.
“Even the broadest Trump pardons were specific as to what was being pardoned,” Love added.
Joe Biden’s “full and unconditional pardon” of his son is deliberately vague. Donald Trump and his allies have long fixated on the president’s son, and Trump has repeatedly pledged to use his second term to investigate and prosecute members of the Biden family. Conservative commentators have engaged in parlor-game speculation that Hunter Biden could be charged with bribery, illegal lobbying or other crimes stemming from his foreign business activities and drug addiction.
So rather than merely pardoning his son for the gun crimes for which he was convicted and the tax crimes for which he pleaded guilty, the president’s pardon covers all “offenses against the United States which he has committed or may have committed or taken part in” from Jan. 1, 2014, through Dec. 1, 2024. That language mirrors the language in Ford’s pardon of Nixon, which did not merely cover the Watergate scandal but extended to “all offenses against the United States” that Nixon “has committed or may have committed” between Jan. 20, 1969, and Aug. 9, 1974 — the exact span of Nixon’s presidency.
The starting date of Jan. 1, 2014, in the Biden pardon was surely not chosen randomly: Hunter Biden joined the board of Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian gas company, in April 2014, while his father was vice president. Republicans have accused the younger Biden of illegally profiting off his position on that board.
The pardon came the day after Trump announced he would nominate Kash Patel, a Trump loyalist, as FBI director. Last year, when it appeared that Hunter Biden was on the verge of a plea deal to resolve his legal troubles, Patel criticized the deal as unusually lenient. (The deal later collapsed.)
“As a former federal public defender and national security prosecutor, this case has singularly done more damage to the institution of justice than I’ve ever seen in my life,” Patel said at the time.
Trump will not be able to undo the pardon when he takes office. And its sweeping nature means the Trump Justice Department will not be able to reopen the long-running criminal probe of the president’s son, according to Samuel Morison, a lawyer focused on clemency who spent 13 years in the Justice Department’s Office of the Pardon Attorney.
Like Love, Morison said the only comparably broad pardon he could think of was the one that went to Nixon.
“It is an extraordinarily broad grant,” he said.
While the sweeping nature of the Hunter Biden pardon is almost without peer in modern American history, in another respect it does mimic a recent precedent started by Trump himself.
In Trump’s first term, he sometimes justified pardons of his political allies by saying they were the victims of unfair prosecution — a posture that broke norms. Past presidents, Morison said, had not generally claimed that pardon recipients were victims of miscarriages of justice; instead, they tended to emphasize that pardon recipients had accepted responsibility for their actions.
“It is to maintain trust in the criminal justice system,” Morison added.
But Trump deviated from that norm — and on Sunday, Joe Biden followed. He justified the pardon by saying his son had been unfairly “singled out.”
“I believe in the justice system, but as I have wrestled with this, I also believe raw politics has infected this process and it led to a miscarriage of justice,” the president said in a statement that accompanied the pardon.
Trump, for his part, is expected to harness the pardon power aggressively when he returns to office. Most notably, he has promised to pardon many of the people convicted for their roles in the attack on the Capitol of Jan. 6, 2021. In criticizing the Hunter Biden pardon on Sunday night, Trump again invoked Jan. 6 defendants, calling them “hostages.”
Morison said Trump will likely cite the Hunter Biden pardon when defending his own pardoning decisions.
“It justifies what Trump wants to do,” he said. “Now, he was going to do it anyway. But it gives him some political cover. I think some January 6 pardons are probably coming — at least some, maybe all.”Here is the Politico article that was discussed in the Duran video. They have not seen a pardon like this since Richard Nixon's.
We haven’t seen a pardon as sweeping as Hunter Biden’s in generations
The “full and unconditional” pardon is aimed at protecting the president’s son from future prosecution by the Trump Justice Department.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/02/hunter-biden-pardon-nixon-00192101
Click to Read MoreI'm sorry, was Hunter Biden in elected office? Here's what I think. Republicans were waging A PROXY WAR against Biden who (don't you know?) STOLE THE ELECTION. Please.
I was surprised to see an article like this in Politico. Guess they know which side their bread is buttered on.
Biden Issues a ‘Full and Unconditional Pardon’ of His Son Hunter Biden
The pardon comes weeks before President Biden leaves office and transfers power to President-elect Donald J. Trump, who spent years attacking Hunter Biden over his legal and personal issues.